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Post by Dr. Robert Gotcher on Jun 3, 2021 0:57:29 GMT
What is it? It is talked about in the NT as well as the OT. Does God get mad at us?
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Post by Dr. Robert Gotcher on Jun 17, 2021 1:38:03 GMT
The wrath of God is mentioned thirty times in the NT.
Matt.3 [7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sad'ducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Luke.3 [7] He said therefore to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Luke.21 [23] Alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! For great distress shall be upon the earth and wrath upon this people; John.3 [36] He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him. Rom.1 [18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. Rom.2 [5] But by your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. [8] but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. Rom.3 [5] But if our wickedness serves to show the justice of God, what shall we say? That God is unjust to inflict wrath on us? (I speak in a human way.) Rom.4 [15] For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression. Rom.5 [9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. Rom.9 [22] What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the vessels of wrath made for destruction, Rom.12 [19] Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord." Rom.13 [4] for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. [5] Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. Eph.2 [3] Among these we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of body and mind, and so we were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Eph.5 [6] Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Col.3 [6] On account of these the wrath of God is coming. 1Thes.1 [10] and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1Thes.2 [16] by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved -- so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But God's wrath has come upon them at last! 1Thes.5 [9] For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, Heb.3 [11] As I swore in my wrath, `They shall never enter my rest.'" Heb.4 [3] For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, "As I swore in my wrath, `They shall never enter my rest,'" although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. Rev.6 [16] calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; Rev.11 [18] The nations raged, but thy wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, for rewarding thy servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear thy name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth." Rev.14 [10] he also shall drink the wine of God's wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [19] So the angel swung his sickle on the earth and gathered the vintage of the earth, and threw it into the great wine press of the wrath of God; Rev.15 [1] Then I saw another portent in heaven, great and wonderful, seven angels with seven plagues, which are the last, for with them the wrath of God is ended. [7] And one of the four living creatures gave the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God who lives for ever and ever; Rev.16 [1] Then I heard a loud voice from the temple telling the seven angels, "Go and pour out on the earth the seven bowls of the wrath of God." [19] The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell, and God remembered great Babylon, to make her drain the cup of the fury of his wrath. Rev.19 [15] From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
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marc
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Post by marc on Jun 2, 2023 3:51:40 GMT
This is a challenging question. Many would deny that there is any 'wrath' in or from God since it is not easy to hear, but the bible talks about it plenty in the old testament and in the new. When we hear the word 'wrath' in our current culture we may think of a kind of uncontrollable anger or impatient outburst or rage without regard for anything other than a single objective like vengeance. I think this is us anthropomorphizing God. I think God has no true need or interest to effect wrath per se. When thinking of these things it helps me to recall that God is content in Himself and has no need for anything, whereas we are just the opposite completely dependent on Him. Wrath does not give Hiim joy or some kind of relief or an endorphin rush. He corrects our sin with wrath, but it is for our benefit so that we avoid sin. Wrath is for those under sin (which you can say is all of us to some extent or another). So wrath exists because sin exists, it is correction or punishment. People do not want to hear this though; they want God to be 'nice' always. But error needs to be corrected, and God corrects. The truth matters. We should not forget either that there are "sins that cry out for vengeance." These are not easy hearings. God is clear in scripture and does not hide what provokes His wrath, we should heed His warnings. Peace!
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Post by johnvanhecke on Jun 6, 2023 2:42:50 GMT
Since God is Love it wouldn't make sense to admit the opposite we commonly associate - hate. Yet there is something that the sinners experience. Rather than calling it the hate of God - because it is not - it might be appropriate to use a word that more correctly identifies to our minds the kind of pain of correction or even the pain a soul experiences when rejecting God as "wrath". If a powerful human exerts wrath on others it effects pain. It signifies rejection. And it CAN lead the subject to correction, amends and penance. Wrath can also occasionally lead to permanent severance - exile or death. I believe each of these attributes are consistent with "the wrath of God" as it is used in the Bible. As is usually the case there are other attributes which are not consistent. If we get caught up in them we are led astray from the true meaning of these texts. For instance to draw out from the person-on-person wrath by associating it with vengeance or even with a passionate anger would be wrong.
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Post by Chris Lauterbach on Jun 6, 2023 19:07:25 GMT
I think that our view of wrath is not in the same context as it was originally meant to be. God does not punish. I struggle to come up with the right explanations with a lot of the Old Testament. Mainly because of the wording. I think a lot of the interpretations and translations leave us with this type of conundrum. Like John, I think "correction" would apply more here.
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